When his son, Sam, died of a heroin overdose after becoming addicted to opioids used in a sports injury, Greg McNeil started the non-profit Cover2 Resources to help other families like his. Now, Cover2 provides presentations, podcasts, and aggregates other help for people, families and organizations working toward non-opioid pain management.

In this podcast episode, Greg speaks with clinician/researcher Aaron McMichael, DC, and clinician/lobbyist Dr. Vern Saboe, DC, of Oregon. Their conversation focuses on what the research says about clinical best practices, how that matches up with the incentives provided by insurance coverage, and how doctors are affecting real change in regulation.